Kai, stop bringing up such a senseless topic. How can you be raising such a sensitive political matter at a palm wine joint? And please, stop denigrating baba by likening him to your failed Jonathan. Jonathan failed all of us and that is why we all voted him out, including you. You were part of the change. Sai baba! Baba for life! Baba and Chelsea are the same. I love baba just as I love the blues. We will vote him again in 2019 if he agrees to run. Sai baba. Why are you laughing now? Does this sound funny? I have my dagger here to finish your life fa!

Sorry, I wasn’t laughing. But why are you this ferocious? Does viciousness run in your blood or is it because you are from… Where are you really from sef? Anyways, it doesn’t really matter. I hear most of your people are like this. You must not talk about their pinup even when they are being roasted by the same obsession.

Grammar…but who told you baba is roasting us? Are we chickens? Besides, your people are more violent than my people. I hear sound of bombs and grenades coming from there every now and then. They are claiming they own the entire country. Is it not only Boko boys that are troubling my people? Have you ever heard of kidnapping and militancy around my area? Take your time please! Sai baba!

I can’t just control this laughter but in a rancorous manner. Did I hear you say sai baba again? Well, I remember how it was activated. We all started with the stimulation of ‘sai baba,’ but at the middle of last year, some people started chorusing ‘why baba’. I have heard ‘chie’ baba from a few people and very soon, it will be ‘haba baba.’

Shut your ‘moronic’ and odious mouth. Buhari can never end up like Jonathan. Forget about what PDP is saying. They are trying everything possible to sabotage his government. I will continue to support baba, even if…

Even if what? Baba has failed us; he has even failed the group he used in removing Jonathan. I mean…ennnnn. What’s the name of the group again? This Oby Ezekwesili’s group, I mean that Aisha Yesufu’s group.

You mean BBOG?

Exactly! Can’t you see that they are now asking baba to be cautious, if not he will end up like Jonathan? In fact, they are like cat and dog now, and baba does not want to see them. I wonder why he is doing that, even when they staked everything for him and helped him win the election.

What did they stake for him? Are you daft? Did you ask why they formed the group? It was for appointment, but since baba only considered one of them, the rest are now angry. Could he have appointed all of them as Ministers? It’s not fair. Do they think baba is too old that he can’t decipher blue from white?

But he used them? Why is he now refusing to dine with them?

Because they are making impossible demands. They are asking baba to rescue the abducted Chibok girls. Is that not suicidal, I mean cheerless? How can you ask our President to go to the Sambisa forest to liberate those girls? I pity the security forces in the forest because it’s an awkward task. No government can rescue those girls. The forest is a noxious zone. After all, your Jonathan said the abduction was a facade’ so why troubling my baba?

Gbam! You don dey speak oyibo now. But baba said he was coming to rescue those girls or has he now agreed that there were no such girls?

Baba is also a politician. Baba is not just a military man. A politician capitalizes on every little opportunity to triumph over his challenger. At least, he got our votes with the sentiments of that abduction. Whether true or false, baba has won the election and now he is our President. He used the group wellaaaa.

Tufiakwa! He is not my President. I wish Jonathan won. I regret everything today. The sleepless night, the argument at newspapers stands, the social media campaigns and everything. I think I betrayed my people who would have preferred Jonathan to continue.

Jonathan would have killed this country.

So what has your Buhari done to this country so far? Revived it? Name one thing that your baba has done positively?

Okay wait…he has decimated Boko Haram.


Don’t you read papers and press releases? Do you know why SK Usman always uses ‘remnant’ when he is issuing a press statement on Boko boys?

Talk is cheap!

Be serious my friend. The era of Boko Haram is over.

How can you say that? Where then are the abducted Chibok girls? Where is Shekau? Is he now dead for the third time?

You see, you don’t read. Shekau is a title. They have killed two title holders. One was recently wounded on the arm.

That sounds very funny. So we can say Shekau, the Emir of Sambisa. How many of the dead bodies have they recovered? How did the military know he was injured in the last raid? If they could be specific about the nature of the injury he sustained in the raid, then why didn’t they capture him or are they turning Sambisa to Boko Haram forest reserve? Very soon, the military will tell us the name of the hospital Shekau was taken to, and mention even the name of the doctor handling his case. Abeg, don’t let me derail from the topic. All I know is that baba has done nothing. He is living on his past glory.

Thunder fire you! Will you stop this nonsense?

No! The nonsense makes sense.

No sense. Jonathan finished our economy before baba took over.

But baba said he was coming to change things. Was he coming to lay blames? He studied the economy and said there was need for change. Now people are already saying we need to change the change. And I’m wondering what he has changed so far?

So many things.

Like wounding Shekau in the arm? Like promising that we will soon be out of recession? Like taking pump price of fuel to N145. Like promising that price of rice will soon fall from the current N20,000. Like completing the Abuja- Kaduna rail project Jona started? Honestly, he has tried to convince us to be a little patient with him. He may end up being worse than Jonathan. If I want to juxtapose, then I will say Jonathan was the best president we didn’t give a chance.

You are mad! You call yourself a media practitioner, yet it’s only at ‘palm wine joint’ you can claim super man in politics. How many articles have you written against the government of the day or are you afraid too?

I’m not afraid of anything. What is there to be afraid of? Is this situation not even worse than prison? What’s the difference? Didn’t you see Dasuki that day? That man don chop up. At least, he has rest of mind. Ask other journalists. People have refused to give brown envelops because they are also managing to survive. Many companies are folding up. Even Dangote is wailing, so I’m no longer afraid. Even Salkida willingly handed himself over to the security forces the other day.

Nonsense! ‘Jagbajantic’ bear parlour journalism. No matter the badbelle, baba will bounce back.

I won’t take it personal with you. I will be here next week to continue the argument with you. But remember I bought a bottle for you today, so you must return same next week. This is an era of change.

Useless man! Where is the money? I’m even thinking of how to survive this weekend. I have only 500 naira left for tomorrow’s garri. You know a cup now sells for as high as 50 naira.

Call baba to epp you. After all, who him epp for this country?

Ali Adoyi is an Abuja based journalist.

The Folly of “Do Not, Touch Not” Righteousness


For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God” (Romans 8:14).

The Apostle Paul is known for his strong stance on morality for Christians, even as he is known to wrestle against the legalism of the Jews (Gal 3).  He taught that Believers are free from the Law of Moses (which he also called the Law of Sin and Death (Rom 8:2)), but emphasized that we are now slaves of Christ (to imitate Him in righteousness).  He walked a thin line between GRACE and TRUTH, speaking much about our liberty and our chains (1 Cor 7:22).

There is a danger for anyone who walks this thin line of Grace and Truth to slip over to one side on an issue they feel strong about, and to the other on an issue they are weak about, so that they are more gracious to themselves and more judgmental of others.  In the wake of liberty, error came into the Church by those who used their liberty as an occasion to the flesh (Gal 5:13).  We see that Paul had to chastise the Corinthians strongly for sins of fornication.  Perhaps they thought that since they were no longer bound to the Jewish Law, anything goes.  Paul had to set them straight.

Some went to the other extreme of forbidding marriage and requiring abstinence from certain foods, and Paul saw and addressed their error also (1 Tim 4:3).  Even though Paul was a strong advocate for singleness, and desired that all be like him, and remain unmarried, he knew that it would be wrong to forbid marriage.  In Christ, singleness is better, as attested by Jesus Himself (Matt 19:10), but God does not force His will on us, and grants us grace to choose, within legitimacy.  One of the legitimate conditions placed on marriage for Believers was that their spouse also be found in Christ (1 Cor 7:392 Cor 6:14).

However, having expressed his preference and given his counsel, Paul spoke much about sexual morality, which is applicable for the married and the unmarried.  His consistent counsel was to flee from sexual immorality (1 Cor 6:18), flee youthful lusts (2 Tim 2:22) and avoid all appearances of evil (1 Thes 5:22).  He had reason to be so zealous on this issue, because as he taught, and as Jesus also told us, our bodies have become the abode of God (1 Cor 6:19-20John 14:23).  Therefore, we are to submit our bodies as a living sacrifice to God, and not do anything that would defile His Temple (Rom 12:11 Cor 3:16-17).

If we are not renewed in our mind (Rom 1:2), and do not have the Spirit of Christ, we will miss Paul’s teachings, and we will twist them – whether to justify ourselves or to glory in our flesh (2 Pet 3:16).  We need the Spirit of Grace and Truth to receive his teachings and apply them in a way that will bear fruit.  But what many have done, as many did in his time, is return to a legalistic mindset about righteousness.  They took GREAT counsel, and turned it into a series of do not, touch not, look not etc. laws (Col 2:21).  But there is a great foolishness in this, though it often appears as wisdom (Eccl 7:16).

Those who are free are told that it is a sin for them to drink alcohol, to eat certain foods, to take certain drugs, to dress or dance in a certain way, to go to certain places, to have certain affiliations, to watch or listen to certain things, to read certain literature…and so on.  All these doctrines have their root in legitimate godly counsel to avoid all appearances of evil, to have self control and to keep oneself holy and unpolluted by the world (Jam 1:27).  But if the aim is to dictate or spell out righteousness, then we do not understand what makes for righteousness.

Holiness seems to be an evasive quality that one cannot attain to, unless you cut out everything that is of the world.  And that is where you get people who isolate themselves, who start their own communities, who refuse to work for money, who exalt poverty, who constrain themselves and others to a life of celibacy, among other things…all in the name of being holy.  They cannot appreciate that holiness is not in the amount of things you don’t do, but your ability to choose righteously between two options byknowing God intimately.  Holiness is in day to day submission to God.  It is found in relationship and not in commandments.  Jesus died for this purpose!

What unfortunately happens for a lot of these people who are sincerely fleeing from all appearance of evil and shunning worldly associations, is that they lose touch with God.  They are so fixated with the rules, that they become too holy for God and the people God wants them to influence and lead.  And besides that, they often do not live up to the rules they put in place, which have a form of righteousness; so they are hypocritical.  They teach others to abide by their standards while falling short themselves.  If they do meet up, it only increases their self-righteousness.

I believe this is why Jesus warned His disciples to be weary of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy (Matt 16:6Luke 12:1).  It is so subtle how it creeps in, and how we move from grace to truth to error, because we couldn’t navigate the thin line between grace and truth.  These are far more concerned about avoiding all appearances of evil than showing love to all men.  But love is the fulfillment of the Law (Rom 13:10Gal 5:14).  You can actually avoid the appearance of evil, and still do evil, like the Pharisees.

Though they might say do not drink alcohol, they may engage in secret drinking.  And so, even though it isn’t a sin to drink alcohol, because they THINK that it is and the TEACH that it is, they are condemned for doing what others can do legitimately (Matt 7:2).  The same applies for any of the other rules they may teach.

It is interesting to me that Jesus said “…practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach” (Matt 23:3).  The truth is their teachings may not be wrong at all.  It is better not to drink alcohol.  It is better not to smoke.  It is better not to marry.  It is better not to watch, read or listen to anything that will stimulate your mind to emotional or physical lust.  But these things are not sinful in themselves.  It is easy to judge by appearances, but we must be careful because that is how the Pharisees judged Jesus for enjoying food, drinking wine, hanging with prostitutes, being touched by women and so on (John 7:24Matt 11:19).

The things that pertain to righteousness are intangible, e.g pride, greed, hate, envy, dishonesty etc.  Righteousness is a quality of one’s heart, which will result in right doing.  You cannot be righteous by doing right, while your heart is still not right with God (1 Cor 13:1-3).  That is the kind of righteousness the Pharisees had, self-righteousness.  But Jesus said that our righteousness much EXCEED that of the Pharisees, if we want to attain to Heaven (Matt 5:20).  Our hearts also must be pure (Matt 5:8)!

If your heart is pure, then your deeds will be pure too…even if they look evil to others.  So though Jesus’ drinking of wine was pure, He was accused of being a drunkard!  Those who make unrighteous judgments never consider that their judging is wrong, but only that the things they are judging are evil, hence Jesus’ rebuke to first take the plank from your eye (Matt 7:5).

But those who are pure and right before God judge all things and are condemned of no one (1 Cor 2:15-16).  They know that before sin manifests in the physical, it has already been established in one’s heart.  Jesus spoke of true righteousness in His Sermon on the Mountain, saying, “you have heard it said, but I tell you…”  He went to the heart of the matter, showing the righteousness of God’s judgments.

The most popular reference to the condition of our hearts is where Jesus said that “But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matt 5:28).  This is where the battle for sexual purity is fought and is won.  It is not fought with a mind that is focused on what one cannot or shouldn’t do, for that is meditating on your desire to do, and is therefore counter-productive.  With such a mind, you will find a way to justify yourself to do what you ought not to do…while you haven’t actually won the battle against lust in your heart!  It is far better to focus on “whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure…” (Phil 4:8).

The heart is where all spiritual battles are fought and won or lost.  Jesus said that “a man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but by what comes out of it” (Matt 15:11).  He went on to explain to His disciples, saying “…don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them” (Matt 15:17-20).

Let’s be sincere with ourselves, and address the root of unrighteousness, rather than looking for the manifestation of evil.  Righteousness is not found in do not, touch not doctrine, otherwise, the Law of Moses would still be in play (Gal 3:21).  We have the benefit of the Holy Spirit, who dwells in us, and Christ has promised that He will lead us into all truth (John 16:13).  He is all gracious and all loving, so we won’t fall into self-righteousness or hypocrisy by following His lead.  And we must entrust each other to His care, so that He will prune us all, as only He can do, so that we may bear fruit unto righteousness (John 15: 1-2).

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh” (Gal 5:16).

God bless and keep you.  Amen

I Was Wrong About Kissing Before Marriage

More than a week ago, I shared my counsel with a lady who was in love with a man, who had told her that he couldn’t move forward with the relationship if kissing was off the table.  My counsel to her, based on my understanding, was that I personally believed kissing is okay before marriage, but that she also needs to pray to God about it, and if and when she would engage in it.

When I initially shared my counsel with her over email, I was glad that it was private, because I knew that a lot of people would challenge that belief – but I was sure that they were wrong, and were simply being religious.  I felt prompted by God to share it publicly on my Reader Questions series, and of course the outcome was a lot of opposition.  I argued my point using – and abusing – scripture.  I took Paul’s reference to giving holy kisses out of context, because it was the only reference to legitimate kissing in the Bible.

One of the things that challenged me most was the discussion I had with my friend, Goke, on the matter.  His perspective is that you can’t give a romantic kiss to someone you are not married to without lusting in your heart.  It seems like a no-brainer, but I was of the mind that lust is something only God, who knows the hearts of all men, can judge.  But the bottom line was not about whether intimate kissing between unmarried people was spoken against in the Bible, but whether it was something God would lead you to do.  Is it wise and is it loving?

I wrote a piece a while back that God has used in helping me to get to this point of admitting my error.  The piece is WISDOM BY ANOTHER NAME, and there I talked about illicit love, that is contrary to the wisdom of God.  Also, the piece I wrote yesterday, which also challenges the whole “do not, touch not” legalism that is existent in Christianity, also challenged my basis for defending kissing between the unmarried.  I have always understood sin to be anything that doesn’t please and glorify God, and here I was trying to define sin by commandments.  So, I wasn’t being sincere.

I said I wasn’t justifying myself because I am already married.  But that was a lie.  I was justifying the counsel I had given to the lady, and so I needed to show that kissing in itself was not the issue, but the motives behind it.  But when you get down to it, the motive behind intimate kissing before marriage can’t be to strengthen the other towards abstinence, but to give place to the flesh.  So, while accusing those saying kissing is a sin of being legalistic, I was actually being legalistic, so as to win an argument.

So I confess that I was wrong on this issue, and that my advice was wrong, and my defense was insincere.  I’m sorry to all my readers for this.  I am thankful to everyone who challenged me, and all who choose not to engage me in unnecessary debate on this issue.

Part of the challenge for me getting to this point is because I feel strongly that the Puritanical doctrine is burdensome.  I still disagree that hugging, holding hands or pecking, and other sincere expressions of affection that one would do with his or her siblings is immoral to do with someone who is close to you romantically.  This is because I still believe that pre-marital romance isn’t bad, and is holy between believers.  But I crossed the line by saying that mouth to mouth kissing is permissible.

So, to the lady who I gave bad advice to, I would like to correct my counsel to you.  I’m sorry that I was not able to share with you true godly counsel, because of my own reservations on the matter.

You said that you “would never choose him over God by compromising”, so don’t compromise.  Stand by the standard that you know to be true, which is to abstain from sex before marriage, and don’t do anything that would introduce lust into your relationship.  If he still insists on kissing, then you have to accept that he isn’t the one God meant for you.  I know it is hard because you have such strong feelings for him, but trust God that He will bring someone better, who is worthy of you, and ready and able to lead you in this matter, and in marriage.

To everyone else who still believes that some kissing is permissible in romantic relationships between the unmarried, I would say let Wisdom be your Guide.  What is wise is loving, and what is loving is wise.  Also, don’t act selfishly.  Even if you think you can handle it, maybe they can’t – even if they say they can.  Why put a stumbling block in their way?  And of course, Paul’s advice to flee from sexual immorality (1 Cor 6:18-20) is indeed the wisest counsel on this issue.  We all should take heed, both the married and the singles.

A Synopsis:

The much derided immunity inherent in Section 308 of the 1999 Constitution is not applicable once the individual protected under the section ceases to function in an immune capacity. Period. Also, in rendering our judgment on whether to amend or expunge Sec 308 from our Constitution, we should take cognizance of the fact that not all Governors are corrupt. Adding to that, the section does not protect or immunize serving members of the National Assembly from criminal or civil prosecution for unlawful conduct committed while in active capacity as a legislator. Finally, Section 308, as written and intended, does not extend to Legislative or Parliamentary Immunity, referred to as Speech and Debate protection. Therefore, the section should be left intact. Executive immunity enhances harmony in a democratic political system that would, no doubt, be eroded, if the President and Governors are exposed to the vagaries of our judicial system. Most importantly, arrest and trial of those protected under the section, would paralyze activities in the affected states or at the federal level, as the case may be. That was the rationale and legislative intent of section 308 of the 1999 Constitution – defined as the thinking of the drafters based on public policy considerations. On the question of whether the immunity follows a Governor to the Senate or House of Representative, the answer is a capital NO. Immunity, for all intents and purposes, is office specific. It is neither perpetual nor inalienable. An ex-Governor who is presently a Senator or a member of the House of Representative is subject to investigation, indictment, or prosecution to the full extent of the law for any fraudulent conduct authorized by him or executed at his command. In sum, corruption, embezzlement of public funds and squandering of riches in Nigeria are seemingly insurmountable, because of the unwholesome and, if I may add, unwritten collaborative resolve of those in the judicial branch – a monumental national crisis compounded by the inability of those vested with law enforcement power (AG, Police, EFCC, and ICPC) to develop new mechanisms with a view to combating abuse of discretionary power (adjournments and injunctions) by judges, as well as, the procedural rigmarole (delay tactics) perfected by defense counsels. We must be bold, resolute, and creative in our search for real justice. And our approach to assets forfeiture and recovery must be purposeful and nondiscriminatory.


To Amend or Not to Amend:

At the just concluded retreat organized by the Ad-Hoc Committee on Constitutional Reform in Port Harcourt in River State, on May 27, 2012, Sec 308 of the 1999 Constitution that deals with immunity came up for discussion, and as expected, there was a demand for its review, amendment, or a total repeal.  For the purpose of record, Sec 308 (1) of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, does not by any stretch of the imagination shield or immunize any serving member of the National Assembly from indictment or prosecution for any crime committed before and during his or her term of office. 

And on a more disturbing note, the habit of Governors who have already completed their two terms, rigging and buying their way to the Senate or the Lower House with a view to evading civil or criminal prosecution for fraudulent conduct committed as Governor is outright ludicrous. Because there is no immunity covering past misconduct. Simply put, the immunity as it is in Section 308 of the 1999 Constitution, as amended, is not about the person or the conduct. It is specifically speaking, about the office. In other words, the beneficiary of the immunity clause is subject to investigation at the cessation of the protected period – as long as there is probable cause to do so on the part of law enforcement agencies. And the conduct can be revisited and reviewed to the extent of its inconsistency with established laws and orders governing the office.

Similarly, the over-hyped immunity allegedly enjoyed by serving members of the National Assembly from criminal or civil prosecution for criminal wrongdoing or fraudulent engagement is a complete fiction. Because the immunity, in the context in which it is perceived by Nigerians, is non sequitur – it does not exist as such. Therefore, the brouhaha surrounding the alleged immunity enjoyed by “lawmakers” is grossly misplaced, and the assault on Section 308 is unwarranted.

Our law enforcement agencies (Attorney General, ICPC, the Police and EFCC) should wake up to their responsibilities. Section 308 does not shield any member of the National Assembly from prosecution. Period. This is not a matter for debate; it is a statement of fact. Executive immunity is unrelated to Speech and Debate related Parliamentary Immunity. Also, it does not preclude law enforcement agencies from investigating those protected under the section (President, Vice President, Governor, and Deputy Governor) for involvement in unjust enrichment.


For ease of understanding, I would like to reproduce the entire Sec 308 of the 1999 Constitution verbatim. The Section provides:

(1) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Constitution, but subject to subsection (2) of this section –

(a) No civil or criminal proceedings shall be instituted or continued against a person to whom this section applies during his period of office;  

(b) A person to whom this section applies shall not be arrested or imprisoned during that period either in pursuance of the process of any court or otherwise; and

(c)  No process of any court requiring or compelling the appearance of a person to whom this section applies, shall be applied for or issued: Provided that in ascertaining whether any period of limitation has expired for the purposes of any proceedings against a person to whom this section applies, no account shall be taken of his period of office.

(2) The provisions of subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to civil proceedings against a person to whom this section applies in his official capacity or to civil or criminal proceedings in which such a person is only a nominal party.

(3) This section applies to a person holding the office of President or Vice-President, Governor or Deputy Governor; and the reference in this section to “period of office” is a reference to the period during which the person holding such office is required to perform the functions of the office. 

From the language of Sec 308 above, there is no part of it that tends to shield a member of the National Assembly from indictment for crime committed while in office as a member of the National Assembly or in a previous office as Governor or Deputy Governor. Specifically, Sec 308 (3) reads: “This section applies to a person holding the office of President or Vice-President, Governor or Deputy Governor; and the reference in this section to “period of office” is a reference to the period during which the person holding such office is required to perform the functions of the office.” Emphases mine.

That is Section 308 of the 1999 Constitution for you! The Section applies only to “period during which the person holding such office is required to perform the functions of the office.” In other words, a Senator or a member of the House of Assembly is not that “person” and does not need to perform the functions of a Governor while serving as a member of the National Assembly. Therefore, Sec 308 does not by any stretch of the imagination shield any of them from prosecution for criminal wrong doing that took place while serving in an earlier immune capacity or while they were in office as Governors or Deputy Governors.

The same is true of President and Vice President. In that case, you could conveniently, and rightly so, indict and prosecute any of the today ex-Presidents or Vice Presidents, if you have probable cause to do so. But first, a prima facie case for unjust enrichment must be established. That’s it. It doesn’t take rocket science to accomplish that, knowing full well the antecedents of Nigerian thieving Governors. So, the problem is not the law or the constitution, but application and the attitude of those vested with power of enforcement.

Rationale and Public Policy Arguments:

In spite of everything, the immunity under Section 308 of the 1999 Constitution is well-meant. The President, or as the case may be, a Governor, is not suitably placed to enjoy the luxury of time defending lawsuits, whether frivolous or meritorious, while in active duty as Governor or President.

Our proclivity for lawsuit knows no bounds; removal of that immunity clause from our constitution would in all probability end up doing more harm than good to our fragile constitutional democracy. Every Ademola, Usman, and Okechukwu, as well as members of the opposition parties would, through frivolous lawsuits and spurious petitions, incapacitate sitting President, or Governors as the case may be, without regard to judicial ethics or the concerns of Nigerian voters. And in the process, take them off course from real and purposeful governance.

In essence, executive immunity enhances harmony in the political process that would, no doubt, be eroded, if Presidents and Governors are exposed to the vagaries of our judicial system. Adding to that, arrest and trial of those protected under the section, would paralyze activities in the affected states or at the federal level, as the case may be. That was the rationale and legislative intent of section 308 of the 1999 Constitution – defined as the thinking of the drafters based on public policy considerations.

There is no doubt that the benefits of the Immunity Clause outweigh the defects. The defects, if at all, are traceable to the inability of those empowered with law enforcement obligations to make the Constitution live up to its true purpose as the supreme law of the land.  To that extent, it requires diligent performance (prosecution) as expected of true fiduciary (EFCC, the Police, ICPC, and the AG). It’s all about the interpretation, audacity, and genuine intent to fight and surmount the ills of corruption and unjust enrichment that irredeemably wrecked a supposedly great nation-state.

We should not act on the impulse of the moment and abrogate a constitutional framework that is imbued with the right ingredients to serve worthy national purpose – growing our democracy and  simultaneously, ensuring stability in the political system.

Granted, our core leadership team is made up of some of the most vile, greedy and shameless opportunists you could ever find on the face of the earth; be that as it may, we cannot embark on constitutional amendment just to accommodate our idiosyncrasies and every unfortunate aberration. That’s retrogressive political evolution. What would you do, if God willing, we are fortunate to have selfless and honest leaders at the helm of affairs? Amend the constitution once again to align with the new reality? No. We can do better.

We must be proactive, creative, and sincere in our approach to war against corruption and assets recovery or forfeiture. Those who are known to be corrupt should be apprehended, prosecuted, and made to forfeit their illegally acquired wealth to the state as soon as they cease to function under the protection of Section 308. According to the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation), “Many criminals are motivated by greed and the acquisition of material goods. Therefore, the ability of the government to forfeit property connected with criminal activity can be an effective law enforcement tool by reducing the incentive for illegal conduct. Asset forfeiture takes the profit out of crime by helping to eliminate the ability of the offender to command resources necessary to continue illegal activities.”

Today, there are thousands of fraudulent Nigerians out there on the street, including former Governors and former Deputy Governors, as well as former Presidents and former Vice Presidents, known to have fraudulently enriched themselves with public funds. They are living free and living large on our wealth. And we watch. They have no immunity and they enjoy no immunity. But we watch. They are yet to be apprehended and prosecuted by the law enforcement agencies, in spite of the fact that these fraudulent Nigerians and ex-political leaders do not enjoy any atom of immunity.

It is indeed very sad that some sections of the Nigeria political establishment, including opinion leaders and public affairs commentators so gotten embroiled in that perverted notion that once a Governor or Deputy Governor ceases to function as Governor or Deputy Governor, or is elected to the Senate or House of Representative,  he or she is still immune from arrest and trial for the unjust enrichment perpetrated as Governor or Deputy Governor. That is complete baloney. The immunity is office specific – it is over at the end of the protected period. The same rules apply to President and Vice President.

Therefore, the Section should be strengthened in order to serve the intended purpose, and not diluted by any means. Immunity and unjust enrichment are mutually exclusive. That we want to strengthen our democratic values via some constitutional mechanisms doesn’t translate to encouraging official misconduct. The rationale was to engender purposeful governance, to ensure uninterrupted governmental activities at the state and federal levels consistent with fundamental principles of democracy and rule of laws. The major constraint is the nonchalant culture prevalent within the judicial branch bordering on procedural rigmarole – unnecessary adjournments and frequent injunctive orders, without reasonable excuse or a show of irreparable harm or injury to the defendant.

Moving Forward:

Fellow Nigerians, whatever we do, we must not lose sight of the underlying imperative, designed to engender consistency and robust democratic values in our troubled political system that Section 308 represents. Therefore, we must be bold about consolidating those democratic values, without regards to the race or the social status of the culprits before and during trial. That is the first step to renewing Nigeria. It is about equal rights and justice.

You steal, you steal! Period! Availing your client with the defense of interim or permanent injunction in a clear-cut case of embezzlement as perfected by our reputable and highly respected lawyers is overtly aiding and abetting malfeasance. Injunctive relief is a discretionary (equitable) remedy – it is not a judgment on the merit with respect to the substantive case. He who comes into equity must come with clean hands, goes a legal maxim. Not exactly in Nigeria. What is so irreparable a damage about standing trial to defend allegation of fraudulent engagement against you?

If your hands are clean, and you rightly believe that you are innocent as charged, then, be willing to stand trial and defend the allegation of unjust enrichment instituted against you, instead of resorting to procedural mumble jumble to circumvent real justice. And that, my friends, is our real problem; not Section 308. This is the time we should all stand up and demand for curtailment in the grant of injunctions and other discretionary reliefs by our Judges. It is now left to EFCC to train its lawyers on how to surmount any of such motions in our regular courts. Because there is a threshold that the movant must meet to sustain any motion for injunctive relief. That, of course, is outside the scope of this essay.

As an addendum, I want to make it abundantly clear that I am not against capitalism or private ownership or private acquisition of wealth. However, I am unequivocally against over-leveraged capitalism and the prevailing culture of impunity and blatant abuse of political office by those vested with political power. To keep enriching yourself with public funds that you and your children cannot exhaust, buying cars you cannot drive or landed property you barely use shows stupidity. It is not fair. It is not right. And it is morally repugnant. If you have no idea of any capital project deserving funding; let education be free at all levels, because quality education, by any standard, is the best investment in the life of a child. Or, if that is not good enough, connect Marinna, across from Tafawa Balewa’s Square, linking Apapa and Mile Two to the Lagos/Badagry Expressway in Lagos State by an over-head bridge or an underground rail system. That is a bold project. ‘A good transportation network is important to all societies and it is vital in sustaining economic success in modern economy.’ 

Thank you.

Alex (Ehimhantie’Aiyo) Aidaghese


If you are here reading this very paragraph, it means you are now one of the thousands intellectually curious Nigerians who made this article the number one on this Blog – the most searched and the most read piece of legal opinion and constitutional review piece within the Nigerian social media scene in the past three years. On October 21, 2014, the Conference Committee of the National Assembly on Constitutional Review retained Section 308 of the 1999 Constitution as it was originally written. We made the case – a compelling case for retention – you spread the news, the Conference Committee concurred, and the rest is now history.  AA May 15, 2015


INTRODUCTION TO JUDICIAL ACTIVISM: Making a Distinction Between Criminal Wrong Doing and The Profits of Crime, Otherwise Known as Unjust Enrichment

(By the way, what you are about to read is not part of the article. It is simply an academic exercise for those who care. For a start, the likelihood of its happening in real life or in this generation in Nigeria is very remote).

The question is: Can we indict and prosecute a sitting President, Vice President, Governors and Deputy Governors for fraudulent and unjust enrichment perpetrated while in office under the premise of “a nominal party” pursuant to Sec 308(2)?

The answer is not absolute. But first, you must be ready to engage in semantic war with the presiding judge and the defense counsel (the lawyer representing the defendant) with respect to the definition or meaning of a nominal party.

We could, in all sincerity, institute a civil action to recover or recoup the fruits of crime or unjust enrichment, if we are, applying preponderance of the evidence standard, able to prove that the owner of a specific property or bank account (e.g. President, Vice President, Governor or Deputy Governor) is only a nominal party – someone not directly involved in the case. But he or she is nevertheless connected to the case by virtue of his or her ownership of the property or bank account in question.

In other words, they are immune, but not their illegally or fraudulently acquired wealth. EFCC is within its power to seize and forfeit their properties and bank accounts to the State as long as we can prove that they are fruits of corrupt enrichment. Thus, it is probable to conclude that Sec 308 (2) does not shield or immune a sitting President, Vice President, Governor or Deputy Governor from forfeiting to the Nigerian people, landed properties or Bank accounts fraudulently acquired, if a civil action is instituted against such landed property and bank accounts. Once again, Sec 308 (2) provides: “The provisions of subsection (1) of this section [that is the immunity] shall not apply to civil proceedings against a person [that is President, Vice President  Governor and Deputy Governor] to whom this section applies in his official capacity or to civil or criminal proceedings in which such a person is only a nominal party [not directly connected].”  Emphasis mine. It is the same thing as arguing: since you are not directly connected (a nominal party), invariably your houses and bank accounts are not immune from seizure and forfeiture, because the suit is after your property, and not you as a person. 

To that extent, owners of a fraudulently acquired property or bank accounts – for example, President, Vice President, Governor and Deputy Governor – cannot avail themselves with the defense of immunity under this section, if they are only indirectly or tangentially connected to the action – a nominal party. Thus, Subsection 308(2) provides cover for EFCC, ICPC, and AGF, if they want to go after the loots of a serving President, Vice President, Governors, or Deputy Governor. Provided the action is in rem (property) and not in personam  (the person).

I want to reiterate that the action is only after the fruits of crime and not the crime itself. Adding to that, the case is not against the perpetrators of the crime or fraud, but just the loots. If you want to call it prosecutorial activism, so be it. As I said earlier, you must be ready to do battle in English Language regarding who “a nominal party” is. So it is not just establishing a prima facie case for unjust enrichment, but being able to establish by preponderance of the evidence the extent of the disconnect between the perpetrator and the unjust enrichment (bank accounts and property) that would justify civil trial or forfeiture.

Finally, given that it is a civil trial, you do not need to prove anything beyond reasonable doubt. Even if that is the standard (proof beyond reasonable doubt), you do not need to crack your brain worrying if you can prove your case beyond reasonable doubt, when trying to convict a Nigerian thief. Evidence are readily available. He is a stupid thief who rightly or wrongly believe that he cannot be convicted, even when caught in the act – he has substantial accumulation of your money – our money – to hire the best of lawyers to pervert the justice system through laughable motions for adjournment. 

(Be that as it may, it requires legal erudition and a willing court to be able to argue a motion based on the above premise. By the way, this is simply an intellectual voyaging or a fishing expedition, because no Attorney General or IGP would in his right sense institute a case against a sitting President or Governor in Nigeria to recoup illegally acquired wealth).

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As a student of history, politics, and strategic foresight, I am convinced that there are four alternative future scenarios before us. The actions, inactions,
decisions, or the lack thereof, of our leaders will determine where Nigeria will be 10-20 years from now.

The choices we make are collectively ours.
SCENARIO 1: “Status Quo Jaga Jaga” – All we need to do is continue to live, lead, and govern the same old way, with no tangible changes at all. The end result will be the same status quo jaga jaga that we have become accustomed to for decades.

SCENARIO 2: “Rumble in the Jungle” – If Boko Haram and their Fulani militant cousins are not effectively disarmed and completely defeated, and if the religious mindsets and ideologies of our political and traditional elite remain the same, it essentially means Nigerians can no longer live in the same space as a united nation. Ultimately, if the killing sprees continue unabated, at some point, there will be a tipping point that forces Nigeria into an abyss from which it will be difficult to come out of.

SCENARIO 3: “Danfo Gedegbe Breakaway Republics” – Since 1960, Nigeria’s tribal and regional groupings have never had a truly honest discussion about the way forward. In the event that such a discussion takes place, it could lead at best to increased regional autonomy within a federating unit, or at worse, breakaway republics signifying the breakup of Nigeria. It has happened in the Soviet Union. It has happened in Yugoslavia. It is happening before our eyes in Libya, Iraq, and Syria. There is nothing to suggest that it cannot happen in Nigeria. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.

SCENARIO 4: “The Nigeria of Our Dreams” – the Nigeria of our dreams is one that is devoid of violent conflicts, tribal/religiously motivated killings, political oppression, corruption at the highest and lowest levels, justice, equal opportunity, brotherliness, good governance that benefits all and not a few; and a nation in which our faith in God brings out the best in us and compels us to be our brother’s keeper even though tribe and tongue may differ. Seeing the future before it arrives is not rocket science.

Simply put, Nigeria’s future will be pre-determined by the actions and decisions of our leaders. The future is simply the culmination of all the political, economic, religious, military, and security plans, strategies, decisions, and actions that we employ and deploy in the days, months, and years ahead.
May God Bless Nigeria and grant great wisdom to those who have been thrust into positions of authority.

Train it up.

Posted: June 21, 2016 in Uncategorized



Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it (Proverbs 22:6).

It’s the responsibility of parents to train up their kids in the way of the Lord. That’s what the Word says: “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”

Some parents would say, “We try not to impose anything on our children; we just let them make their decisions themselves.” What an error! The Bible says, “Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him” (Proverbs 22:15). Children aren’t allowed to make their own decisions; they need to be trained and guided. Parents have a responsibility to know through the Spirit of God, what their children should be, and raise them in that direction.

Some parents act as though God said, “Leave the children to me, and I’ll determine how they’ll grow up”; He didn’t say that. Rather, He said parents should train up the child in the way he should go. If you already have children, let the Holy Spirit guide you in bringing them up in righteousness. Keep training them in the Word. Even when it looks as though they’re not imbibing the culture of the Word, keep at it, and don’t despair. Give some time; the results of the training will be evident. Soon enough, they’ll come into the right place, and be all that God destined for them to be.

Dear Father, I thank you, for your Word has in it, the ability to make me what it talks about, and
produce in me, and in those you’ve placed in my care, an unalloyed commitment to you. We’re yielded to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and to the guidance, and tutelage of the Spirit, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Proverbs 23:13 NLT
Deuteronomy 6:6-7
Proverbs 29:15

Acts 9:32-43, Ezra 1-3
2 Corinthians 7:1-8, Isaiah 8

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Build The Hedge: A call to Action

“Ezekiel 22:30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none”.

I was greeted one  morning by the words in this scripture, then it dawned on me, how eager The Lord is. How urgently someone needs to make up the hedge and stand in the gap.

The failures we see today as a nation is simply because some people saddled with the responsibility of mending the hedge, decided to break it instead. We can’t continue to wait on them, we must start up the work they abandoned. Our future doesn’t rest on their shoulders anymore, it is our responsibility to shapen it as we deemed it fit.

Will we be the generation that sings; “we are a Choosen Generation, called forth to show His excellence”, and then fold our hands and watch Non-challantly as Apathy steals our future from us. If I may ask, ” Where is the excellence in that?”. We must rise up to the occassion and rebuild the Walls and stand in the gap for our Land.

Incase you don’t know, 97% of the problems in this country affects us directly. From ASUU/ASUP strike to the “Unsure SURE-P” funds, even the failing aviation sector, the Lingering Fuel crises, the battle between the Dollar and our currency and the unfulfilled promises of steady Electricity, all affects us directly and we must do something about it or we will regret it in the nearest future.

The present brookers of political strenght and economic schedules are not our age mates, so they won’t even know how it feels to be us. The only opportunity they have to feel our pains was suppose to be the educational sector, but we all know where their Children School. So they escaped it and we are still here, waiting for them to react. What a waste of time.

I can’t begin to express how annoying it is to see young people treating the problems in this country like its a “right of passage”. It is not. Some Old fowl failed to lay the right eggs now we can’t have omlets. That’s what it is. God has a far more better plan, that ensures a sweeter and more fulfilling life, but we must have to activate it with our actions.

It is time to rise up from the slumber we have been forced into and find solutions to our problems.

This is the time to awake and Pray, it is time to call upon The God you Serve, it is Time to Let the Devil and his cohorts know that you mean business, it is Time to Prove that all the Religious rights, Sacrifices and Reverences are not falling on deaf ears, call on your God and make sure He answers. Afterwards take up your hoes and baskets let’s rip the harvest.

It is time to rise and save our Land. The salvation of our Land is in our Hands, don’t be slow to save yourself and others too. Be the one that would be found, be that trail blazer and Build the hedge and stand in the gap for our Land.

Secure your future on your knees and rise up to the challenge. If you know who God says you are, where He says you’re at, what He says you will be, then you will know that you are working in power for a purpose, which is to make your Supernatural Manifestations beat the expectations of the world.

Its Simple: its Pray, Act and Subdue.

Egypt has been disqualified from
participating at the 2017AFCON after it was learnt that 2 of her players tested positive to the use of drugs While Salah tested positive for the anabolic agent nandrolone, Elneny tested positive for tetrahydrocannabinole (carboxy-THC), a metabolite of cannabis, after the game in Alexandria.
Following this development, CAF has now issued the AFCON 2017 ticket to Nigeria who finished second behind Egypt in group G, after Tanzania joined Chad to withdraw from the competition.
Check your calendar immediately after reading this. Happy April 1st .

Handle with Care

Posted: April 1, 2016 in Uncategorized


developing dad

I sometimes take a picture of you because you’re just so adorable and amazing and beautiful. And sometimes I catch a hint of fragility in what the camera catches. Other times I see huge heaping mounds of it. Giant reserves of delicate. Like you’re a crystal chandelier in the shape of my beautiful boy. And then, in my minds eye, I see all the thousand ways you’ll be disappointed by the realities of life you can’t even fathom at this point. Sculpted from this thing of beauty into another thing of beauty to be sure. But still, that journey is treacherous and full of potential. Potential harm. Potential fortune. Potential damage and grace.

Maybe it’s you. Maybe I’m not just a proud dad that’s just insanely obsessed with my kids. Maybe your specialness, your perfectness is not a function of my pride. Perhaps you are magical and I’m afraid of…

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Trip Lee is a 27-year-old rapper, husband, and father of two. He’s also planting a church in Atlanta — yes, he’s a pastor — and late last year he released his fifth studio album, Rise, which quickly hit #1 on the iTunes charts. And he’s just published his second book.

Rise: Get Up and Live in God’s Great Story, the companion book to his latest album, comes out today, January 27. I caught up with Trip to talk about Millennials leaving the church, his relationship with John Piper, and why he felt like he had to write about sex, lust, and porn.

You released an album by the same name late last year — how are the two connected? Do the two serve distinct purposes?

I thought of the concept for the book first because when I was thinking about doing a project I thought about what I wanted to communicate to the people that I have influence with, and one of the things I really wanted to communicate was the need for us to not wait until later to take our lives seriously.

With the album, what I wanted to do was introduce those things, and then with the book, that’s where I really wanted to dive deeply. A song captures emotions in unique ways, and a song helps you to celebrate things in unique ways, but at the same time, you only get three or four minutes, so you can only communicate so much. So I wanted to use the songs to do the celebrating, to connect emotionally, to really get people excited about those things, and then use the book to go really deep into those things and help people think about it further.


Who has inspired you as a rapper, pastor, and author?

In terms of music, I would say probably the most influential on the way I approach the art form is Jay Z. He’s a guy who is arguably the best rapper of all time. The way he uses metaphors and double entendres and the way he’s able to connect with an audience — he’s just really good at what he does. But, obviously, I do it differently than him, because I have a different worldview. I would disagree with some of the things he says, but really respect him as an artist.

In terms of as a pastor and preaching, John Piper is a pastor in Minnesota who I heard a lot of his sermons early on that really inspired me to really want to continue to preach and proclaim God’s word.

As an author, that’s really hard. I would say one: C.S. Lewis. He’s a guy whose writing doesn’t read like sermons, but they’re so engaging and he answers questions before you even ask them and he argues so well and he understands culture well and understands scripture well. He’s a guy who’s influenced me a lot as an author.

How have you been able to blend, as John Piper writes in the introduction, reverence and relevance? The two can seem almost oxymoronic.

I think the main way I do that is just by trying to be myself. So, one thing I could’ve done is I could’ve read John Piper books and I thought, “Man I need to write like him. I need to preach like him.” That’s not me. He’s a white dude in his sixties and I’m a young black dude, a rapper, in my twenties.

I think it does Christianity a disservice if we feel like, “Hey, if I’m going to be serious about my faith, I have to look like this and dress like this and talk like this,” as opposed to, “Hey, when I put my faith in Jesus, he changes me from the inside, so that who I am culturally can stay the same, but I can still talk about deep things.”

Though God is going to call us to grow and change, it’s not going to be change like you have to wear suits now and you have to speak in King James language. No, no. You can still be yourself and be young and be cool, all those things — some people ain’t cool to start with, so you don’t get cool — but God can take you where you are, you can be yourself and you can be changed in a way that matters.

Speaking of, there’s this unique relationship between veteran Reformed guys like Piper and Mark Dever and younger rappers like yourself. Can you talk about that?

I do think it’s unexpected. I think what we’re seeing there is that even though we don’t have a lot in common culturally or age-wise — and maybe these are guys I never would’ve even known or had any kind of relationship with — what we do have in common is that we believe in the same Jesus and that makes us passionate to see the same things happen in the world.

And those are guys who I think get it in a way that they want to pour into people who have influence in different realms. For instance, John Piper, he’s always been incredibly kind, he sought to understand what we do, and then he’s gone out of his way to be really kind to us and love on us.

I think that’s powerful even as we think about some of the racial issues going on. I want people to see that there can be unity, and I’ve seen that unity come in Jesus. We believe in the same Lord — there are a lot of different things that are different about us, but we believe in the same Jesus and that’s what brings us together.

You call out a lot of people — kind of the lukewarm Christians, especially — in the book. Were you nervous about that or do you think it just needed to be done?

I think one of our core values as a culture right now is not ever making any comment on anything anybody else does. The only scripture passage that a lot of people know is that Jesus says, “Don’t judge lest ye be judged,” though of course we know from the context of that passage and other passages, he’s not saying never make any judgment. Scripture commands us to help each other along. I don’t think it does anybody any good if we are afraid to help each other grow.

That’s part of what it means to be a Christian, is to let other people in your life in such a way that you can help each other to grow. I think the problem comes when we’re very self-righteous about it. What in the book I always try to be very open about the fact that, even from the introduction, I do not have it all together. I have issues. I am a Christian not because I have it all together but because I need Jesus desperately.

You write about sex and porn and lust — you don’t really hold back. Were there parts you struggled to write or that were particularly uncomfortable?

Yeah, I mean, I know I’m going to get some emails this week saying, “Hey this may have been a little too real for my teenager,” but these are issues that, especially when you begin to talk about porn, plague us as a culture. It is very rare for me to meet a young man, Christian or not, who hasn’t at some point or is presently looking at porn regularly. And I thought, if I’m writing a book for young people, I cannot not address this particular issue because it’s such an epidemic for us, and something that so many of us struggle with, something that I struggled with in the past.

And then thinking of sex and temptation, I mean that’s such a huge thing for us while we’re young, even more than when we get older. So I just didn’t see a way that I could write an honest book that tried to speak to the unique challenges of following Jesus while we’re young without touching on those topics. And I think, because we don’t have a lot of honest discussion about those things, I think those will end up being some of the chapters that help people the most, because we try to ignore it like it doesn’t exist sometimes, and I don’t think that’s a helpful way to move forward.


I saw you perform at BET Music Matters in New York. What’s it like when a guy on stage before you is rapping about strip clubs and then you come on and rap about Jesus?

I love that stuff, man, I love that. I love when I get to do at a church and everybody there’s a professing Christian, but I love doing stuff like BET Music Matters because it’s an opportunity for people who normally wouldn’t be exposed to it. I love that, because one, their brain explodes for a second. Because they think Christians could not possibly be good rappers. They’re assuming that I’m about to come up there in choir robes and my rap name is going to be Kanye Blessed and it’s going to be something real corny.

Then I love the fact that they’re getting exposed to something different even if they weren’t expecting it. It’s an opportunity for me to be a light in places where there’s often not a lot of light.

There’s much written about Millennials leaving the church. Why do you think that is — and what do you think the church can do there?

There is one chapter where I talk about this very briefly in the book. It’s a chapter about going deep with God. I think one of the reasons so many people leave is because they’ve only been given really shallow ideas of the faith. When the only thing you know is “Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so,” and when you’re only around people who also believe that, it’s not really challenged. But then people go off to college and then they’re getting challenged in class and they’re being exposed to other things, and because no one’s ever helped them to dive deep into scripture, they’re not firmly rooted. Some don’t really even understand what the gospel is, so it’s very easy to be knocked over. It’s nice to give folks pizza and high fives, but that’s not going to be enough if we want to give them the kind of faith that will be sustained.

We’re also just at a time in culture where it’s not respectable as much to be a serious Christian anymore. So, I think what it’s going to take is just the regular thing that God calls Christians to do in the Word: to love people and to tell them the good news about Jesus.

Can you talk about the Christian rapper label?

It’s so funny to me this has become such a huge conversation because normally this is almost always a question that we’re asked, not that we bring up most of the time. I want people to see me as a rapper. It’s very clear I’m a Christian from the way that I live my life and the music that I do — you hear it in my music. I just don’t want people to think of Christian hip-hop as its own genre, like there’s regular hip-hop and then there’s this hip-hop over here for church people.

Instead, I want people to say, ok, here’s a rapper. Is his music dope? Ok, I’ll check it out. And he’s coming from a particular perspective in his worldview. I just don’t want people to put it in a corner somewhere like it’s its own genre. I do hip-hop. I’m a Christian man. So that’s going to be clear in my music. So I think it gives people an idea about the music that’s not true. That’s why I don’t prefer it.

Rappers don’t know what to make of you guys and some Christians don’t know what to make of you guys. You’re kind of stuck in the middle.

Exactly. I think it’s ok to be kind of stuck in the middle. That means we get to carve out our own trail, which in some ways is cool, because there’s nobody who does it quite like we have.